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Archive through November 23, 200523-11-05  12:54 pmLaurence Sutton15
Archive through December 21, 200521-12-05  10:12 amIan Beange15
 Link to this message Terry Jones  posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 10:24 am Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I too have been banded at 7.
I fell between "posts" just like everyone else out there I suppose.
However, should we PACS managers fight to move to band 8?
In my opinion, moving from a supt grade (where you could not claim overtime) to a band 7 (where you can claim) means my take home is likely to sky rocket.
However, as my Trust has banned over time payments (notice they have not banned you working the hours, just paying you for them) I will not see the benefits just yet.
 Link to this message James Steel  posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 10:41 am Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Ian I completely agree, most people will be lucky to break even.

There are big differences in what PACS managers across the country do and how much involvement they have in the heavy side of IT. Many for example leave most of this to their IT dept. I have even heard of sites that have IT do the training of their users - each to their own.

My concern with AFC is the national matching and no doubt now that some have been banded as a 7 the rest of the country will too regardless of what they do just so long as they are all banded the same.

I am not saying I walk across water to get to work or stop in the waiting room to lay on hands but I feel that as a specialist group we deserve recognition for our skills and abilities.

Many of the PACS managers I have met are figureheads when it comes to PACS in their hospitals and the hospital would suffer without a manager with their abilities. I feel we should all be aiming high.

Personally I am sick of waiting for AFC, locally there is not much happening and the sooner they get it over with the better. ( no doubt this is exactly the attitude the NHS want us to have so we will end up excepting anything so long as its something )

Feel free to Flame away.
 Link to this message Richard Szabranski  posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 10:48 am Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I'm sorry Terry, I had to do a double take here. As far as I am concerned if you put in the hours , either on-call or stand-by or both, then its your time and you should be renumerated for it. We have excluded our stand-by & on-call payments from AFC and have a local agreement based on the old Whitley terms (i.e paid to grade. You're missing out on 7K - 10K p.a. extra at this rate !
 Link to this message James Steel  posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 11:42 am Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I should have also pointed out that in my belief there are two schools of PACS managers,
1. Pre NPFiT (CFH).
2. Now.

The differences between these are how much they cost.

IMHO from what I have seen those PACS managers employed pre NPFiT are all graded as Sup 3's, me included.
Since the introduction of NPFiT I have seen a number of posts advertised with pay in excess of this, some even offering 40K the best so far has been 33,494 - 41,368 or 40 - 55k for an NHS PACS Project manager. (PM me for more details if required but these are all from this time last year so are probably filled, sorry)

I would prefer that my pay was brought in line with theirs rather than the other way round.
 Link to this message Tom Henderson  posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 12:13 pm Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
7-8 what about freedom to act / cross trust responsibility etc etc ?

I do a 1/4 o/c for pacs and put in 5-6 pacs related calls a month.
 Link to this message Sharron Dyce  posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 09:54 pm Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Those of you who have been banded,

Have you had your job evaluation scores returned to you (If you haven't request it before you accept anything!) to see what areas you hare lacking points? Also it would be interesting to see how far you are from a band 8.

A band 7 carries a weighting of 466 to 539 and a band 8a 540 to 584.

If you are around the 520 mark it's probably worthwhile appealing.
 Link to this message John Greenwood  posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 02:03 pm Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hi All,

Banded yesterday to Band 7 (484 points).

As I'm only an expert user & radiographer (not system administrator) I'm happy with this result, and feel that maybe everybody should have been assessed via the JAQ
 Link to this message James Steel  posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 09:20 am Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I just wanted to tell you all about the near death experience I had last night and to prepare you all for it.

Imagine my surprise when looking through the jobs in the latest Synergy I find a seemingly ordinary PACS manager position advertised at band 8b 41,027 - 54,996, on seeing this I promptly began to choke on my pasta (hence the near death experience.)

I would just like to congratulate Kings College on getting this band. I wonder how long it will last against national banding ?
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